Sunday, November 11, 2007

Remembering the Main Street Gym

By Randy De La O

My earliest memories of the old Main Street Gym in Los Angeles are of my father and I going there to watch the fighters workout and spar. This would be in the 1960’s. My father bought all his clothing from the haberdasheries that were found up and down Broadway Street at that time, including Mickey Cohen‘s haberdashery, but that was before my time. I went with him knowing that a trip downtown meant a visit to the Main Street Gym, on Third and Main. My father was a boxer in the army during the 1940’s and remained a fan all of his life, perhaps equaled only by his love of the Los Angeles Dodgers. We would spend a few hours there while my father pointed out the fighters and explained the finer points of boxing to me. We would stop at Crony’s on Whittier Blvd, in East Los Angeles and grab a hot dog or two, before heading home. It was a great time and a great memory.

I would think about those days years later while working out at the gym. At that time I was training under Mel Epstein, who eventually became like the grandfather I never knew. Mel was a trainers trainer, old school and hard core. When I met Mel he was 75 years old and was managing middleweight Mike Nixon, and another young fighter Gary Pittman. His most noted fighter was light heavyweight "Young Firpo", whom he managed and trained in the 1930’s. He also managed and trained boxing writer and historian Ricky Farris. Despite the fact that Mel was a west coast figure, no one evoked a more “Runyonesque” aura. He had been involved in every facet of the fight game at one time or another, including promoting and matchmaking.

The Main Street Gym was managed by that other “Runyonesque” character, Howie Steindler. Howie ran that gym with an iron fist and rarely, if ever, tolerated any bullshit in his gym. Howie managed Ernie “Red” Lopez, Danny “Little Red” Lopez and Alberto Davila. The trainers that I remember from that time are Larry Soto, Memo Soto, Gil Cadilli, Benny Georgino, Teddy Bentham, Bob Armstrong, Frankie Williams, Phil Silvers, Ralph Gambina and Harry Shapiro, who had the habit of reaching over and talking into your ear. It was the only way he would talk. Occasionally other trainers and fighters would come by, usually for some sparring. Joe Ponce and Bobby Chacon would stop by regularly. One of the greatest moments during those years was a spectacular sparring session with Chacon and “Little Red”. It was one of those “You had to be there” moments. These two were true cross town rivals, but they kept it friendly outside of the ring.

I can’t remember the name of the first guy that I sparred with, only that he was a “Main Event” fighter at the Olympic Auditorium. I do remember the bloody nose, split lip, bruised body and black eye that I got. I came back the next day for more. In time I gave as good as I got. I had the opportunity to spar with some good welter and middleweights at that time, as well as some lightweights, and a few light heavies, including Mike Quarry. I was a 147 pounds give or take a few. The toughest guy I ever sparred with, hell, the toughest guy I ever traded punches with period, in or out of the ring was Felipe Torres. Torres had lost a decision to Roberto Duran a few years earlier. Torres was a natural lightweight, but when I met him he was around 165 pounds and working on a comeback. At that time he was managed by Glen Williams, although I think it was more of a friendship than a true manager boxer relationship.

I had turned down an offer by Williams to leave Mel and sign with him. He promised me the world, but I was happy with Mel and declined. I think after that he kind of had it in for me, maybe I’m wrong, who knows. I know that when I had a fight at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas, Felipe was my sparring partner. I had two weeks to get ready. It was only my second fight and it was a six round fight with a ten round fighter named Eduardo Barba from Mexico. I had misjudged Felipe, thinking that because he was a little over weight, and older than me, I would be able to handle him fairly easy. As the saying goes, “when the student is ready, the master will appear“. Well, I suddenly found myself in the ring with a Master, with a capital “M’. He literally tore me apart the fist round. In the second I was determined to get my shot in. I landed a right hand that really seemed to tick him off, he ripped off his head gear and seemed to scratch the ring floor as a bull would, and just tore into me. Every time I stepped into the ring with Felipe, I felt as if I was fighting for my life. This went on for two weeks. What made it worse was that Mel wanted me to spar without head gear, he seemed to think that it toughened a fighter up. I’m not so sure he was right. By the time I got to Vegas for my fight I was bruised , worn and battered on the inside. I lost the decision but it was good fight. It was on the under card of the Mike Quarry - Tom Bethea fight. My fight was the only prelim that night. Bethea lost that night too. Howie Steindler got me that fight, and I remember the night before I left for Vegas, Howie said to me “ You picked your profession, now get out there and do your best”. Some of the guys from the gym said they had seen the fight and thought I had won, but I have to admit, Barba won that fight, fair and square, but I gave as good as I got.

One of the things that I really liked at the gym was the way the heavy bags were set up. There were five or six bags in a row set over raised wooden floors. What was different than most gyms is that the ceiling was so high, a really long chain was needed for the bags. This gave the fighter the opportunity to sway the bag in
circles, follow it or duck under it, something you can’t do on a short hung bag. It makes a difference when training. There were two rings set up and they were always busy. There were two mirror set up for shadow boxing, and a locker room with an old wooden sit up table made by Norman Lockwood. Mel had an ongoing squabble with most of the trainers there over the windows. He wanted them wide open when his fighters were training and every other trainer in the gym wanted them closed. Sometimes he won the argument, sometimes he lost.

There are a lot of great memories from my time at the gym, none more memorable than meeting the legendary Sugar Ray Robinson. He was there quite often in the mid 1970’s. My first contact with him was on a weekday afternoon. I was shadowboxing in front of the mirror. Not the mirror by the door when you waked in, the mirror opposite of the doors, by the windows, near the speed bags. If you trained there you know which mirror. I could see Robinson jumping rope behind me as I shadowboxed. He was watching me. He stopped jumping and just stared at me. After a minute or so, he walked over to me and tapped my shoulder and said “ Excuse me son, do you mind if I give you a little advice?” I looked over at Mel, knowing how he felt about anyone bothering his fighters. Even he recognized the magnitude of the moment for me. He smiled and nodded to me. Do I mind if Sugar Ray Robinson gives me advice? Do birds fly? He gave me a good piece of advice about not drawing my right hand back when I jabbed with my left. He told me to “think of my right as a catcher’s mitt and the other guys fist as a baseball. Just relax and catch it.” To this day when I pass that advice on to someone and they question it, I tell them that Sugar Ray Robinson told me that. It’s almost always good enough. During the time he was working out there we got to be somewhat friendly. we would talk almost every day he was there. One day he stopped coming and I never saw him again. Years later when I heard on the news that he had passed away, I felt bad. I read a few biographies on him over the years and there have been some unflattering things said about him, but to me he was a class act and a nice guy. That’s how I remember him.

The Main Street Gym has been used for so many television shows and movies that I would never be able to list them all, but perhaps the most memorable (to me) is the original “Rocky” with Sylvester Stallone, Burgess Meredith and Talia Shire. The reason it is so memorable to me is that I was an extra in the movie. I’m sparring with Monroe Brooks in the movie. Brooks was stopped by Roberto Duran a few years later. Monroe and I became friends and when I had a fight scheduled with local welterweight Chris Gonzalez, at the Forum later that year he stopped by to wish me luck. The fight was canceled just minutes before it was scheduled to start, still I appreciated him coming by. He was another class act. Brooks is currently a trainer in Los Angeles. Mel and I had lunch with Burgess Meredith, and I remember Meredith picking Mel’s brain for any and all information. I see some of Mel in Mickey.

I had the opportunity to meet so many fighters and famed trainers during those days. It’s been so long that I can’t remember them all, but I do remember meeting and shaking hands with Henry Armstrong, Alexis Arguello and so many others.

After the fight at the Aladdin Hotel, I never fought again. It wasn’t a choice, it just worked out that way. I ended up with a family to support and got a job at Mc Donnell Douglas Aircraft Company. Like most fighters I never really got it out of my system and in 1980 I tried one more time. Things were different now. Mel had passed away that year, Howie Steindler had been murdered a few years earlier and the gym just had a different aura about it. Larry Soto was training me now. Larry was training a fighter by the name of Felipe Canela at the time. I got along well with Larry but he was a completely different type of trainer than Mel, and was pretty vocal about it. His style of training seemed more assembly line as opposed to Mel, who seemed to bring out an individual style. Maybe it was just me. At any rate it didn’t make a difference. That year my father became sick with cancer and I wanted to spend as much time with him as possible. So between raising a family, working a full time job with overtime, and going to the hospital daily, something had to give, and it was the gym.

I have great memories of the Main Street Gym. It was a great time in my life and I met some great people there. It was, at it’s peak,, the “Mecca of Boxing” on the west coast, rivaling the best of them, including Stillman’s and Gleason’s in New York. The Gym closed down in the mid ‘80’s and was eventually razed and the spot were the legendary gym once stood is now a parking lot. It was an honor to climb up the flight of stairs, passing Howie’s office, look up and see the sign that read “The greatest fighters in the world train here” and enter the doorway. The sounds and smell of that gym still live in me.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Beautiful stuff,Randy.By the way,my uncle just showed me a clipping from the New York Times on the closing of Stillman's Gym in 1959;Lou Stillman(I think his original name is Ingber)said boxers ("today")are all "sissies"(more on him in 'Corner Men' by Ronald K.Fried-one of my all time favorite books on trainers).And as we say in the 'hood:Yashir Koach(which means
'may you be strenghened' in Hebrew(and Mexican)

Anonymous said...

....and Mickey Cohen,man!I keep up with Jewish wiseguys;the first few times I saw Cohen was on the talk show circuit-and I didn't have a clue who he was.Then,he claimed to have info on Patty Hearst's disappearance.Anyway,I think 'Bugsy' would've been a better movie if they based it on Cohen;he really had fun in LA.He was sent out there to look after the mob's investments on the west coast-and after Bugsy Siegel got hit,Cohen became targeted and survived several hit attempts;I'm partial to the bombing at his house and his shootout on Wilshire Blvd. during a car chase(I think he was seriously injured after being hit in the head by a pipe in prison).My late rabbi(Noah Gamze)who officiated at Jake 'Greasy Thumb' Guzik's funeral in Chicago(Al Capone's bookkeeper)was Cohen's "rabbi" while he did time in McNeil Island prison in Washington for tax fraud;Rabbi Gamze wasn't sure if Cohen was kidding when he requested "lox and bagels" during Passover(you're not supposed to eat bread).As it turns out,Cohen was a pretty tough guy;he was stopped in three by Hall of Famer Chalky Wright.

Randy De La O said...

Maybe some day someone will get wise and make a movie, a good movie about Cohen. I'd go see in a New York minute.

Thanks for reading!

Randy De La O said...

By the way, Mickey grew up in Boyle Heights, where I was born. Just a bit of trivia.

Anonymous said...

...gotta get back to the drawing board,somehow I thought Mickey came from the east.Regarding Boyle Heights,my sister went to school at UCLA once took of tour and said the bus stopped at the last synagogue in Boyle Heights-and one of my dad's (Jewish) friends who moved to Detroit grew up there in the 30's and 40's.

Randy De La O said...

You're right. he's from Brownsville, but his family moved to Boyle heights when he was still a boy.

Frank "kiki" Baltazar said...

Main Street Gym (Los Angeles)
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Carlo Curtis--an unsung friend of boxing and particularly of the omnipresent newsboys who were on every street corner or safety zone by the street car lines in the 1920s, '30s and '40s--opened this training facility at Third and Figueroa, circa 1924, and soon began to put on pro boxing shows on Saturday nights.

The place had two floors, with the upper story used only on fight nights to accomodate the gallery gods, cheaply, and yet with an excellent vantage point to take in all the action. There was usually one ring used for sparring, which was located at a point farthest from the main entrance. That ring abutted against the stage, also at the back, which never saw much practical use. The main floor of the gym itself was on the second story of the entire building, which housed a bar and grill downstairs. Fight films were shown constantly at the bar during regular business hours.

On Thanksgiving Day, Curtis would shut down for business in order to host a couple hundred appreciative newsboys to turkey dinner with all the trimmings. Thus, the Main St. A.C., which promoted the Saturday bouts, became known as the Newsboys' Club. Many years later, Gig Rooney, who managed Jackie Fields, opened a similar gym with that name on Mission Road, near the old Eastside Brewery.

The old Main St. Gym had an undeniable scent of arnica and wintergreen that permeated the scene, day-in and day-out, with dozens of boxers going through the various paces of their workouts. Speed bag, heavy bag, skipping rope, shadow boxing, and every once in a while, a minor rumble in the locker room area, when two boys would have at each other for whatever reason that had been festering.

Several "characters" could be found in this gym, such as the cherubic Fabela Chavez--too young to box pro and too good for the amateurs, sparring with some of the top pros several times a week, biding his time until he could obtain a license to box professionally. Chavez would hold his own and more, for a couple or rounds, but then the pro boxer would kick the workout into high gear and squash the kid's zealous attitude, forcing his handler, Johnny Villaflor, to call "time."

Another standout character was "Tiger" Napoleon--a former boxer from the Philippines, who was the unofficial "barker" at the gym, using a huge megaphone to call out the names of the boxers taking the ring for sparring sessions. "Tiger" was said to be a graduate of Stanford University. He he spoke with a thick accent.

In the 1940s, Joe Kelly was the barker at the head of the stairs leading to the gymnasium. It was he who collected the fifty-cent admission, or waved you in if you were one of the working fraternity, press, club employee, manager, trainer, etc. It was he who also sold you the current Knockout or The Referee magazine. He was later the door man at the Teamsters Gym.

The Main Street Gym burned down in 1951 and was replaced almost immediately by the Moose Gym at the top of the old Angels' Flight, which itself was replaced by the new Main St. Gym -- across the street from the original one.

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Randy De La O said...

What a great piece of history Frank! Thanks. I knew of the old newsboy gym but was unsure of it's exact location. so the old Johnnie's Shrimp boat across the street from the gym came after the old gym burnt down?

Anonymous said...

Randy,

Yes the original Main St. Gym was where Johnnie's Shrimp boat is/was, and not on Third & Figueroa as the article says

I tried to post a photo of said gym but was not able to, I'll see if I can post it on your message board.

Frank

Randy,

I'm posting under anonymous as I forgot my password,LOL!

Anonymous said...

Great post, Randy. You have fine control of the language--and you are right-on with your observations and recollections.

John "Dennis" Mancino said...

I used to spar at the Main St. Gym in the 1970s with Pedro Lovell, Ernie Lopez, Mike Nixon and George Foreman. Does anyone know where Pedro Lovell and Mike Nixon are today?
Thanks,
John "Dennis" Mancino
949-285-4689

John "Dennis" Mancino said...

I used to spar at the Main St. Gym in the 1970s with Pedro Lovell, Ernie Lopez, Mike Nixon, and George Foreman. Does anyone know where Pedro Lovell and Mike Nixon are today?
Thanks,
John "Dennis" Mancino
949-285-4689

John "Dennis" Mancino said...

I used to spar at the Main St. Gym in the 1970s with Pedro Lovell, Ernie Lopez, Mike Nixon, and George Foreman. Does anyone know where Pedro Lovell and Mike Nixon are today?
Thanks,
John "Dennis" Mancino
949-285-4689

John "Dennis" Mancino said...

Randy, Great stuff - thanks so much. You brought back fond memories of my sparring at the gym. It was a great place with so much history. I knew Mel as well. He had me spar all the time with Mike Nixon - a good boxer with a good punch. Haven't seen Mike since the 1970s. Would love to get in touch with him. If you can help, it would be great. And again, thanks for this.

Anonymous said...

We were neighbors with Mike Nixon in 1972-73. We shared a duplex with he and his wife then. We would love to touch base with him now if anyone knows where he or she is.
Contact: ntimdtrann@aol.com

Debbie and Bob Gillis

Anonymous said...

The Main St. Gym, great story you brought back some of them good old days. By the way, Bobby Glesson worked my corner when I beat Mike Rossman in New York. He said , thanks for the win Mike your welcome at my Gym, Glesson's Gym in the City anytime. He was 80 yrs.old, he went home and died. Bobby gave me some great advise that helped me win that fight.
Yours in Boxing Mike Nixon

Randy De La O said...
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Rick Farris said...

I remember Mike Nixon.
Do you remember me?


-Rick Farris

Anonymous said...

Randy, My uncle and aunt new Fabela Chavez,in fact my uncle was a pro-boxer in the 40's, and my mom was married to the welterweight-champion of Mexico, Nicholas Moran. Cantinflas and Pedro Infante were my brothers gofather's..yes we are De La O'S

Anonymous said...

Randy, I'am in a somber mood, my uncle passed 3yrs ago, my mom six, and my aunt is really ill;I'm caring for her. She is the last of the first generation De La o's. Nine brothers and two sisters. Seven of the brothers fought and survived World War Two.They came to Sante Fe, New Mexico, Douglas,A rizona, then settled in Boyes Height's in the late 1920's. My aunt was friends with Micky Cohen,she said he was a sharp dresser. more later

Paul Le Mat said...

Yes--great memories of the Main Street Gym. I sparred with Sugar Ray (who took it easy on me, a beginner) and Lonnie Harris (who didn't!), and others. Howie was gruff, but nice to me, and Duke always encouraged me. After hurting my hands in a fight in Dec. 71 I went on to win the 1972 Diamond Belt, luckily, because my opponant in the finals, Joe Noble, didn't show up. The gym was a serious, and fun, place to work out, with all the pros in there, and the colorful characters. I watched Mike Quarry and both Lopez brothers and learned a lot.

Anonymous said...

This was a great gym and had all the aromas and hard big city boxing look you always see in the movies, but rarely can experience today. I met Alexis Arguello there, watched sparring, worked out myself; always was enamored of the old life-size cutouts of past great--my heroes, Joe Louis & Jack Dempsey; yes, you were definitely haunted by boxing's past greats. I punched the heavy bags there in the early 80's, cost--$1.00 a day. Why? Johnny Ortiz, one of the finest gentleman in Los Angeles, befriended me, let me off the hook from expensive workouts, so in return on Saturday mornings, I would bring coffee up the dark staircase. Great place!

Unknown said...

Does any one know who Art "Duke" Holliway was at the main street gym. my grand father E.F. Luna was train to fight there and is 91 yrs old. Art was known to take in the youth and help them feed there familys either fighting or selling news papers. if any one has information email ne at oarigoli@gmail.com . Oh yea and he was friends with Cohen and his girlfriend as well.Thank you

Elias Deleon said...

I am Elias Deleon El Chaparro Deleon an ex boxer, I was managed by Larry Soto, I used to sparr with Salvador Sanchez, Roberto Kid Rubaldino and el Cubano Hernandez,back in 1977-1979, here in this famous main street gym, we used to stay at Alejandria Hotel.

Anonymous said...

Thank you very much for sharing these memories. It's very well written and feels like a real 'piece' of boxing history!

Wendi said...

Hi there I really enjoyed your article....My grandfather was a regular in the Los Angeles area boxing circuit during the 40's 50's and 60's till his death in 1969. I know that he sponsored the training of a young boxer by the name of Tony Campbell (a high school friend of my father's) in the 1960's after learning of a parking lot scuffle Tony was involved in where he punched the opposition one time, killing him instantly. I am wondering what boxing gym they were training at and if anyone remembers Tony or my grandfather, Tommy Canard. I know that he owned a pool hall on Spring Street and a bar called the Crown Hill at the corner of 3rd and Lucas, so he frequented the downtown L.A. area often. If anyone remembers him or anything about those locations I would love to hear about it....and thanks again for the enjoyable blog.

W. Adams

Anonymous said...

Great memories. I too remember growing up watching the fighter (including my own dad, Herman Montes) spar at the Main Street Gym. I can still hear the sound of the bags. I loved reading your story.

Anonymous said...

Good stuff! Benny Williams was my Grandfather-he helped Carol manage the Gym after her father was killed. He left me some great pics of "Legends" who passed thru the Gym doors. Thanx for sharing

Anonymous said...

As I am reading your posts my grandfather was a trainer and promoter out of the Main St. Gym, my dad was a ranking lightweight. I have a full box of pictures from the 40's there. A whole bunch of new paper articles, I felt so bad, "tomorrow at the Olimpic Garden Lieberman fights Dynamite Jesse Jackson and although Lieberman has a great KO record Jackson is the favorite, but don't expect it to go to long, Next Day, If they call him Dynamite he just met up with TNT Lieberman 28 seconds in the first round, well that made me feel a little better. I also have picture of Grandpa Manny training Mondo Ramos and he was his first trainer in the golden gloves out of LA. They asked dad, no ordered Dad to take a dive against the original golden boy,Art Aragon grabbed dads tie at the Polatiam dancing and so dad did not like that much and he said he was real cocky. Wow dad and Art died within three years of each other dad was 93 Art was 80. Oh I have stories alright, they did mess his record up as they said they would if he did not take the dive, dad hated the game after that. Thank God for Paul Ranaldi that took dad under his protection in Las Vegas or I would not be here. So dad fraught out of the Vegas club for a while. Thanks for letting me share this as I really miss him. Harry Lieberman

Unknown said...

Hi Oscar, my dad just turned 90 and used to spar and train at the Main Street Jim. I would to connect your grand pa with my dad so they can talk about the old days.

Unknown said...

Hi Oscar, my dad just turned 90 and used to spar and train at the Main Street Jim. I would to connect your grand pa with my dad so they can talk about the old days.

Dan Trigoboff said...

I enjoyed reading this. I was a member of the gym in '83; used to give my money to Carol Steindler. i was nearly 30 and hadn't boxed in almost a decade (in NY), so my gf (later my wife) made me promise not to spar. Used to go mid-day, mostly hit the heavy bags.Had to bring your own swivel and speed bag, if I recall.
I remember a photographer from a paper in Mexico asking to borrow my bright, red Everlast gloves. I was a reporter myself, so I agreed and watched the photo session. A day or so later one of the fighters, Kiko Bejines, was knocked into a coma in a title fight at the Olympic, and later died. He'd been fighting pro since he was 15.

Anonymous said...

I was washing dishes at Mr Eds an old west Seattle Hangout back in 1983-84.One customer that came in quite a bit liked to talk about sports and specifically boxing .His name was Gary Pittman .He asked me if i had ver considered boxing before.I was in trouble a lot back then ,lots of bad decisions and had just gotten out of the penitentiary at walla walla where i learned a little bit of boxing. I was in a work release in Seattle just trying to figure out how to fit in.I started training under Gary Pittman 5 and 4 2 Ko's .I believe Gary was one of the last 2 fighters as you said along with Mike Nixon to train directly under Mel Epstein.I signed a release and started training at the Eagles club.I remember Joe Toro put me in the ring against a good 210 pounder I was only say 160 but quick .I got out of the way of most punches and landed good combos.One of Joes fighters said he throws combos thats a good start.Joe puts me in the ring with this kid and i got my clock cleaned lol.I remember getting hit no matter what so i resorted to footwork and Joe Toro yells to his fighter dont follow him hes trying to wear you out.I couldnt help but laugh cause im pretty sure i was just running to survive.I didnt go far as i had 2 knockouts in the reynolds work release and got sent back to do 6 months.but i have to say the little time i spent with Mr Toro and Gary Pittman was the best.i even got to meet George Chimeris who had Greg Haugen and was trying to con Gary back into the game.Gary Pittman is a pretty good guy all around and i think back from time to time and hope him well.It was reading this article a while back that made me want to say hi and that Gary had a real love for all that was mainstreet and Mel Epstein.I believe Gary still resides in Seattle and i wish him well.

Randy De La O said...

Thank you for sharing this. Gary was my stablemate. I'm glad to hear he is doing good. If you ever run across him again please direct him to this blog. I would like to see him again. I have good memories of our time together with Mel and the Main Street gym.

J Ramirez said...

It’s nice reading about this gym! My great grandpa was Frankie Williams the boxing trainer you mentioned and it’s nice to see that he was recognized for what he loved doing!!!

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Unknown said...

Good afternoon everyone. What some great memories awesome story. I am reaching out to anyone who has any knowledge of Howie's death. I'm a private investigator working to try and solve the mystery behind Howie's murder. I know the LAPD feels it was a "bump and run". robbery gone bad. I do not believe this to be the case. I spent the day with Howie's daughter Carol on Monday 05-10-21 going over the case. We have interviewed former LAPD detectives who were there that night and have been involved with the investigation. I really feel this case is close to being solved and Howie will soon be allowed to rest in peace. I am asking if anyone has any information about Howie's death to please reach out to me. I know this has been over 44 years now, but I know aunts and uncles even grandparents may have told the younger generation something about Howie's death. Thanks in advance and keep your eye on the jab...

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